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- Well, and I guess, let's get this going, Scott.
- Yes, Dave. - How are you today?
- I'm fantastic. - Yeah.
- cause I could see the world
- Oh, they're good. - Yeah.
- Um, I had a good day when Dan checked out
the Old Soldier Distillery downtown Tacoma
right there next to the Wingman.
They got me a little liquored up, I'm not gonna lie.
[chuckles] - Nice.
- Yeah, and they're making some delicious whisky
and some bourbon and some white whiskey.
Yeah, we're just basically making white lightning now.
yeah, they invited us down.
We can go down and checked it out.
They'll show us how to grind the corn
and turn it into mash
and make, you know,
make us dangerous. [chuckles]
There might be an interview coming.
But, speaking of interviews,
today, we're joined by my good friend
a major influence and inspiration
in a lot of people's lives, I am sure.
Probably, one of the most colorful
characters I've met
and I think I'm pretty much done jerking him off.
without further ado,
may I introduce Vibe Smith,
with Down 2 Vibe.
- It's Down 2 Vibe.
- Down 2 Vibe. - Yes.
- Vibe and I, we met a long time ago
in a different career path
doing completely different things
than what we're currently doing today.
From the moment I met Vibe,
I always knew that he had,
he had something going for him.
He was a very motivated individual.
He had a smooth voice,
he had beautiful women chasing him around,
left and right,
and he was, he was living the life that a lot of people
I think would want to live.
then, something's changed and we're going to tell you
a little bit about how
the driven IT playboy
that was Vibe Smith
turned into the enlightened individual
sitting across from us today.
So, thanks for coming in, and how was the
journey down from Seattle?
- Wow. The journey was fine.
It's always interesting getting down here.
The drivers like to not use turn signals and
it's always a very intuitive drive.
- You got to predict what the person in front
of you is going to do. - Absolutely, absolutely.
That's a hell of an intro. [laughs] - Yeah.
I'm just trying something out. [chuckles]
So, where are you from?
- Well, originally, I came from the South, and
I spent a lot of my older years here.
Without getting too deep into all of the travels
that I was involved in my adolescence and things like that,
but my teenage years, high school was up here.
It's been a good time acclimating and
also doing a little traveling. Once I'd finished
my high school, I had to leave and get out.
One of the things my father always told me is like,
"Show us learn your backyard."
And the US is quite a big backyard, so
that's why I started
a lot of my travels and
I've been able to have a lot of fun and do a lot of
I've realized not everybody's had the opportunity to do.
And I also figured out how to do those things
without being well off or having deep pockets.
Because it's always a state of mind
and just letting yourself be free to have fun
and the only limitation, actually, is yourself.
And um, once you established that one,
pretty makes, it makes everything fun for the most part.
It's pretty easy.
So, with that being said, that IT's always been
normally my direction,
stepping into the career aspect here.
My aspirations was always going into network engineering.
I met him working for a company which was
awesome. We got a chance to meet each other.
And it's actually one of those first impressions where
he had an impression of me and
I showed him that it was incorrect.
And I have to mount him.
And once we actually gave each other a chance,
we've became really good friends.
- So, you guys didn't get along at first?
- Well, he was just kind of a little too shiny for me.
This fancy guy shows up and he's just two days,
I mean, I had two days seniority on this guy.
And, how dare he come and tell me how to do my job. [laughs]
Come here and show me that he can work faster and
load paper faster at the back of the truck, and
help out. Just be damn friendly.
How dare he. [both laugh]
- I'm like, "Hmm. Who is this guy... - Right.
- getting dropped off by some shiny-looking
white girl, just beautiful. - [laughs]
- I'm like, "I hate you."
Like, they deliver you to work. [laughs]
- Oh, man.
- I mean, that's about how it was, and then
you know, we had the same job and he worked up
in the north area, and I worked down in the southern
region of the state, and we will cross paths when we
have to do some installs and that kind of stuff together,
and then they gave him my van.
That pissed me off. [laughter]
And we met out somewhere, in the parking lot
of a safe way and he's junking though my van.
He gives me those crappy little boxed van. And he say,
"I don't need this." Throw it out of the van, throw
it out of the van, and he's like, "I don't even know
what this is for, I don't need that."
Which, you know, I had realized what a small, small vehicle
and he was working in Seattle, so I mean it made sense that
he needs it smaller. But we're all contractors fighting for
real jobs. - Right. - So, I was very,
as was like, "Oh, man, I need something like that
to get a job contracting in." He was way better than me
even though we are in completely different region. [laughter]
But we both ended up coming out of it. I mean, we were
working hard, we were busting like, sixteen hours a day,
six days a week, some days. - I think the most was a hundred
and 17 hours in six days.
- Yeah, I mean they were, they were crushing us
to get this project done. - It was quite ridiculous.
- And they played it like, "That two that are..." listen,
there are 16 of you in five spots."
I mean, they just kind of, they laid it out there like that,
we came out, we got it done.
- I mean, everybody was there and it's where I learned a lot
about what work ethics should be, whether you always
follow it or not is up to you but now it taught you
how to work, for better or worse, I mean,
I owe a lot of...
That's some of the experience that he and I had.
But then, as we got our jobs and we just both grew
and ended up not working out for either one of us
after all that work.
- Right. - Yeah. - Just work.
- It was just a job. - Yeah.
- It was definitely not a bash, and it was not a podcast.
It was not the adventures that we are in now.
- Yeah, the independent and freedom of driving around,
that was more the glamourous side of it,
but at least, for me anyway,
I was more inspired. My aspirations are more
going into, once again, network engineering.
I like being on the network inside.
I like working with servers.
That was more my direction, more my passion.
I like being on the back end of it. I'm...
- Let's be real. This is how he spend it.
This is how he's told me this job that he want to work.
He's like, "Listen, I could be anywhere in the world with
with a laptop, sitting on a beach with the honeys [laughter]
and they call me. I boog, boog, boog network
and fix a router and I'm done."
And I collect my check. I'm like, "That does not sound bad."
And I sort of look in at the amount of work,
and the amount of school, and all they are saying is that
after, even we had moved on, I'm watching he's going
to school. He's work in this path, he's going through
all this journeys, you know.
I think you did a little time with the coast guard,
is that correct? - I did.
- And what did you do there?
- I'm there as part of the search and rescue.
We did boardings, covered the Gulf, the Carribean,
part of the Atlantic.
It was a, there was some down time, and there
was some very adventurous times.
There are some things that they don't tell you
when you're going in, you think it's just, you know,
helping people and pulling people out of the water,
making sure they're safe. Well, there were some situations,
sometimes more than others,
wherein not everybody wants to be saved.
When they see us, they know they're getting deported.
So, they'll go kicking and screaming and that's
involving eliminating you out of that equation.
Then there's that option.
And sometimes they utilize that option,
or they try to, anyway.
Obviously, I'm still here, so... - [chuckles]
See how successful that was.
- And that was previous to me knowing you.
- So, this was in your younger years.
- Yes. - Not that I'm calling you an old man, - [laughter]
but you have this very ageless tone about you
that I can't even tell how old you are, although I'm pretty sure
I'm older than you. [laughter]
But um, so in your time there, that's kind of
how that started you on the path
even not knowing it, with just the nature of
and because... What really started this ball rolling
was your time there... - Yes. - was being kind of hard
on your body. - It was quite hard on my body.
I ended up getting a knee injury
and I kind of absolutely accept that role.
I've always been wanting to bounce as it were.
And at that young age, I was in my twenties,
when I was in, and at that age,
I injured my knee, and I was in excellent condition, so
from surgery to recovery,
I was up and running within two months.
Like, I was back to duty.
They didn't expect me to be bouncing back as quickly
as I did, but they can't deny me
because of the shape that I was in.
I passed all the tests, I was rocking and rolling.
Now, skipping down the road from that injury
it was causing lower back spasms,
things like that. And of course, because
my whole skeletal system was shifted because of that knee
injury, it was wearing on my right knee because my right
knee was compensating for the left, so was my back and
all my muscles, my stabilizers, everything was was thrown
off base off this injury. And especially, because I was
always so active, I need my body to work and I was not
really one that really slow down. Patience with everybody
else, but not patient with myself. And with that process
happening later on, the injury started to re-occur again.
And this is like, fast forward, way fast forward.
So, in the last few years, the left injury -- the left knee
was re-injured walking down some stairs, that simple.
And with that one, the right knee decided to go out right
with it. During that process, I was having troubles walking.
Things were very difficult because I'm a vet. So, using
the... the available resources that were there for me
or my available resources, I was placed on a waiting list
because of my age, my demographic, whatever, however you
want to categorize it or the reasons behind it. That waiting
list extended for almost a year and during that year, having
still having troubles walking, unable to maintain physical
shape because you kind of need your knees when you
work out. Well, then my back started to go out. I didn't
realize it. I did not know this until well after and this
is after a little bit of petitioning as it were, I found
out that I had a herniation. Well, that herniation gravitated
or moved to a direction that caused me to start to have
a sciatic nerve issue. So now, [laughs] the good times rolling
both knees not working properly, herniated and I have a side
ache, back issue that's going down my leg. So, you know,
things were fantastic. It was, it was one of those situations
that I would love to not have experienced, but you don't
understand it a little bit why I'm very thankful
that I experienced it.
Once everything got going, the doctors finally
took care of the knees, but then for the rehab, you need
to be able to use your back to rehabilitate your knees.
I can't use my back at this juncture, so I ended up in
a wheelchair. There are some aspects or, you know, the
doctors are like you should be getting better. Should be
getting better. And I'm like, you're right, why am I not
getting better? What's going on? Like, am I doing something?
Because I feel like, I motivate, like, you know you start to
inspire all these questions. - You kind of want to walk again.
- Yes, it was like, I've always been a very sporty aerodynamic
person and then now I'm not walking. I can't bend very well.
I'm in constant pain. This is, you know, I'm telling you
once again and I'm being a very, very facetious when I say this.
This was really good times. [laughter] You're looking in every
direction trying to find a reason just to smile or be positive,
you know. So, then six months later, I'm still in the wheelchair
They work on the back. The first surgery takes away my
ability to move my legs. - Completely? - I could not. I thought
I was not going to walk again. - You fucking broke my heart. -
- Is it back a surgery? - This is from back surgery. I would
love to see the surgeon, but I don't want to start that battle.
- You know what I mean. But either way, I did that first one
it was one of those interesting situations where the
surgeon actually said, it was my fault and that I was being
lazy and that I had issues and I need a psych exam, and
and I'm sitting there looking at him and I'm like, wait
a minute, I can't move my legs. I don't know about you,
but that is not on purpose. [laughter]
That was not on... - No, not lazy.
You got to be really lazy to not ever move your legs again.
You know... [crosstalk] - Everything below the waist
you just not touching anymore.
- You know, like, I just
fought for a year, just walking with the messed-up
back and a knee, and sciatic nerve issue and now after surgery,
you're telling me that I stopped trying, I don't know.
I was, I was flabbergasted by that comment from him.
And then, his forcefulness
to keep insinuating that I was lazy, and I'm
unmotivated and I'm just trying to work the system as it were.
I was like, "Whoa, you're really trying to
cliché me. My life has never been cliché, [laughs]
you know, but obviously you
don't know me. You just looking at the outside." So then,
fortunately, I was blessed by a second surgeon who actually
did care, and actually listen to the situation. And he was
able to, in a way, kind of sneak in and take over my surgical
procedures, and he got my legs moving again. I don't know
what he did. It's hard for me to find out what actually
happened. You know, Band of Brothers, that type of situation.
I don't know if anybody else has ever experienced that
with surgeons or doctors or just a Healthcare System, they
kind of back each other up. - Yeah. - And even when there's
a wrongdoing they're not going to admit it because that
makes them look bad. - Absolutely. I was just
talking to an attorney recently
about some stuff and it's exactly what he
said, he's like, "Good luck trying." like, you need malpractice
and that kind of stuff is the hardest thing to do, because
just like the police, everywhere else, they think that they
are right up there next to God, and in a lot of ways, they
honestly believe that, and so does the general public. So,
it's really hard, in general, to try to get anybody to
admit fault anything, because admitting fault for them
can be a catastrophe... - See... - [crosstaIk]
- and hard.
- I will say this though,
and, in a blessing that happened when this occasion, during
this scenario, I had an MRI right before. I had an MRI
after the first surgery, and I had an MRI shortly after
the second surgery. So there's actually... - There's a chain
of... - There is evidence to show which this first surgeon did
not want the second MRI the one in between. He did not
want to authorize it and actually went around him to get
it done. So, I do have proof, you just gotta have somebody
to actually look at it. [laughter]
Either way, moving on with this.
So then unfortunately, with, uh, when all the surgeries are
all done, still in a wheelchair and I got a chest plate
on, as I said, you do help the back, you need your knees,
to help your knees, then you need your back. You know,
you can't work and do things. There's a lot of struggle and
fortunately, I was blessed not to have gone through this
path alone. I actually had somebody who's willing to stick
by my side and support me and show me the love and nurture
me as much as they could even though it was really difficult
for them as well. - That girl's a saint. Ida left you.
- I'm going to say her name, Sky. - Saint Sky.
- Love you, darling. - She's a saint.
- I love you. Yes. - Very few women in the world like, they're
that's right up there with that tried-and-true. Not even
married, like death do you part, like sickness and in health,
that's like she walked that line for you, and that she did not
complain one time to me. - Well, not that I expect her that
I'm a priest [chuckles] or anything, but
you know, I mean, that girl. - Absolutely. - Impressive.
It was very, very impressive. - I understand why you gave
up all them other honey's. [chuckles] - Actually,
compared to Sky, it was pretty easy. - [laughs] - Nice.
-Yeah, Valentine's Day is right around the corner.
- But with all of that and seeing you through those
processes through, because I mean, we would not see each
other every day, or every week, sometimes not even every
month. But watching that progress, for me it was heart-wrenching
because I knew it was like, you just, like out of all the
people I knew, very few of them needed their legs more.
Like, your whole world was about dancing and living life,
and being part, you know, getting out there and doing it. -Yeah.
- You did not have a sedentary bone in you. - No. - And to
see that man, it broke it killed me. The first time I saw
you roll up in the house in a wheelchair, I'm like fuck
no, that's just a joke, that can't be real. It... - I think
that problems like that just destroy
people man. -Yeah. - Like, you know, financially, morally,
you know relationships, it just wipes people out.
- Let's talk about Uber. What is Uber, you'll say.
Uber is your all-encompassing
transportation need mama. I'm going to use the word mama.
You know why? Because if you need a job, take that opportunity
to use your car, you can get out there with your car. You
can make 20 bucks, you can make 500 bucks, you can make
whatever it is. You need to make on your own time, with
Uber. Send a text, put Grid City, right in there, text it
over to 555-888 and you can learn all about becoming a driver
with Uber. [swooshing sound]
- I feel very blessed in a lot of different ways.
It is quite unfortunate that, and I will say this about
the healthcare aspect. They don't tell you all your options.
They really do not and it's always funny where you get
these tidbits of information and they're always from weird
strange places. Like sometimes they even might be somebody
on the street, see you in a wheelchair in the chest plate
and you're pushing yourself up the hill and you're like,
hey brother, check this out, did you know blah, blah, blah,
blah? And you're like, I had no idea about this. And then
you check it out and then there's something that's totally
beneficial and you've been needing it for a long time.
Like, it's amazing how it works. But it is quite interesting
they, you know, and unfortunately because everything is very
money based. Well, as I said, you spend a year not being
able to walk, of course, you're not going to have deep
pockets during that period of time. And it's kind of hard
to get a new job because you're like, well I'm due for
surgery. - She'd said it's hard to get out of bed.
[laughter] - Yeah.
- There are some...
I will admit there are some days where I spent four days
in the bed, maybe a day up and then maybe another day and
a half up and then I'm back in the bed again. It was, you
know, I spent a lot of time horizontal. And unfortunately,
due to the effect of my metabolism being the way that it
is, I just, they discovered after the, during the first
surgery for my back, that I am opiate resistant. Right.
Right. - No morphine for you. - No, they give it to me. I piss
around, excuse me. All right, yeah... - You can say whatever
the fuck you want to. - I will piss it right out. And even one
doctor was like, you know what, he had me on 20mg of
Dilaudid, every two hours, and he was like, "I'm going to
find out where this goes." So, he was like he's taking urine
samples, stool samples, blood samples. He was like, "What
are you doing with this stuff?" And we found out it goes
in, I urinated right back out. - Kidneys are like ugh.
Kidneys and livers like, nah. - They're not, they're not
holding on to it, there's like, no, no, we don't want it,
push it out. You know what I mean? It's kind of... - That's
all the good painkillers right there, too. - Yeah. [laughs]
- You know what I mean?
You just asked out. - I am not. I was not destined
to enjoy the pharmaceutical realm as everybody else
does, which with this be like everything. So the medical
is not working out for me. I can't take pharmaceuticals.
They look at me like a junkie if I try to get these high
dosages and even some cases they even really... - How do you
have that conversation, "Hey Doc, I'm opiate resistant, can
I have a 80mg fucking morphine pill? No tweaker, go home."
- Yeah. Like I'm going in there. I'm gonna... - Nobody believes
that. - And I'm picking
up to the allotted pills. - Right. - And in the interesting part
was, this is kind of just how the medical system tends to
work a little bit for those people who've ever experienced
it. If you have a lot of money you go. -Right.
- What are you gonna do with that? [laughs]
- So that's [crosstalk] okay, so, the interesting thing is,
because there's so many, you see now they're
looking at the quantity of it and they're low dosages so
you can pop them like candy or what. I don't know how they
look at that. - Yeah. - But then, they're like, oh, we
can't fill this. I'm like, well, the surgeon told me to
get it here. They're like, "Oh no, we can't fill this." So
then, I ended up having a go back to the surgeon, go through
the rigors of having them changing the prescription to
a higher dosage. Last pills. - Well, I guess if your body's
pushing it out, I guess a 1mg that way, you know
you have to take more pills. - Right. - At least they're keeping
you steady. Does that make sense? - Right. - Because actually
smarter than I have been. - That was because the way that
my body was metabolizing it, that's what they suggested.
But that doesn't work with the dispensary of... - Yeah, because
they don't make 1mg, that they would have to
press those pills. - No they do make the 1mg, they do
make them. - They're just worried about you having too many
because people sell them people... - Right. - If you can give
out 1mg pills you can just sell as many as you
want and you don't have to be, not as many as you want,
but... - If you can sell 250 of them, so... - Right.
- Unfortunately, because
of the demographic, by... was it the preconceived notions
they would have, profiling as it were, it put me in a red
flag area. No matter where I went. How... - I hate this black
dude in a wheelchair. Looks like he might be... - Exactly.
- might be playing in us for some pills.
- Well, people, they lock down opiates.
- Oh, yeah. - I had no idea. I was sitting in a waiting
room one time with these two people and this [clear throats]
this lady said,
she was on probation her husband was on opiates and
he had lost his pill and they count them. Like, she's
like, we had to, you know, we searched whole fucking house
for him because he lost one and we're all going to go to
jail because they count his pills. Like they fucking lock
that shit down. Unless you're in Florida, and then you
can just get whatever you want, apparently. - Oh, no.
Absolutely, I will say this.
I think there is a definitely need to
regulate it and monitor it. But you don't throw out the
baby with the bathwater. - Yeah. -Because there are some people,
I was one of those type of people, I'm not abusing this,
I'm actually just trying to walk. I'm trying to be able
to roll out of bed. I'm trying to be able to sit up in
a chair to eat a meal. I'm just trying to function like
the basic things that most people take for granted. I'm
just trying to make it to that, you know. I didn't think
I was trying to push it. I was like, just let me function.
-It's not your fault, man. - Yeah, you went to
where they told you. - Right. - It's the
fault of the manufacturers. They only have like, they will
set out, you know, we have 250 million prescriptions or
whatever, right? They'll make 500 million pills. So, they
make these excess, and they're like why are you making this
excess? Well, because that many is getting sold, right?
Even though they're fucking getting sold illegally or to
other people. So, it's actually the fault of the pharmaceutical
companies. You were doing exactly you're supposed to do.
- I thought it was. -Yeah, because.
- I thought it was. [laughter] [crosstalk]
- Yeah, that was definitely an unfortunate scenario.
With everything going the way that
it was, the struggles of trying to get the meds, also, trying
to get the cooperation of the Medical Teams to work with
me, things were kind of bleak. It looked really bleak we
struggled. We struggled extremely hard and being... I was
always a very proud person. I've never... - Extremely.
To a fault proud.
- Yes. I didn't want to ask for help and because I
come across and I am a strong person, people don't really
offer to help either, even though that's when I needed it
the most. It was very unfortunate, it was really unfortunate.
So, during that whole period, you know, while we're struggling
and things, a good friend offered
to us like, "Hey, I know this isn't working.
This isn't working. You tried all these
other different things. You're all over the map. You're
trying." Like I'm almost like I'm very open person. I've
always been an open person. I'll try it. If it's gonna
work, my ego will not stop me from going to do it unless
asking for help. But now if you offer the help, I'll take
it. You know what I mean? -Especially the precipice.
- Oh yeah, no, no. Yeah, you offer it, I will take
it. But to get me to ask, that's the one is a little bit,
it was a little bit like pulling teeth. Fair enough. In
this situation, we uh, I started to learn more and more
my mind over matter, how strong it was. Staying how to stay
try to stay as positive as I possibly could. You
know, not to let anything get me down. Use my own energy
to try to... There's like, there's some, there's always a
silver lining in every cloud, and if there isn't one, put
one in there, you know. Bring a bag of them, if you need to.
Whatever you need to do to help you get through it,
because it could always be worse, I can always not be here.
You know, we went to this situation where there's
I got invited to go and my buddy paid for it and it was
using stones. And with these stones, they help change your
energy to balance it out. Get your energy to flow the way
it's supposed to, to help clear blockages things like that.
So, I went through this Stone. - So you're talking about
something completely different. You stepped aside. You're like
"Let's do away with the idea of... Let's- let's try something
different than typical medicine. Let's look towards more
alternative." - Alternative. - Absolutely.
- The medical system,
it would, it's not conducive for me. It may work perfectly
for somebody else, but once again, one, I'm up at necessity.
Two, I didn't have a deep pocket because of my being disabled
for so long. I didn't have the money. So, when I... being ethnic
male, no money, I'm screwed.
There is no option for me.
I couldn't think my weight like, I could tell him how smart
I am. I can show them how educated I am but that's irrelevant
because I'm seeing, I'm still being profiled before I even
walk up. So by then, it doesn't really matter what I say
or how I act or whatever, they already made a decision. And
if is no, not to help me, well, that's the- that's the- that's
what they chose and that's the destiny that they try to
create for me. - So, how did they approach you with
the stones? So, a friend of yours was just, "Hey, come check
this out." - Yes. He was like, "You know what, I'm gonna go
get this stone, anything done." And I was like, stoning.
I'm like, "Dude, I don't smoke weed, you know." [laughs]
- Right. - Right. [laughs]
- I told you like, seriously, you know, the Cliche, the show
on TV that's not me, [laughs], you know. But either way,
it was like a,
no, I- I thought it was dealing with pot to wean and I was
like, "Oh no." He's like, "No, he's actually using mineral
stones, crystals, things like that, you know."
And I was like, "Oh, wow.
That actually sounds really cool. You know what? Yes, I
will try it, I will try anything, anything just to feel
some, some semblance of relief."
Went to it and it was amazing.
But the, the person who is working on me was like, "Oh, don't
worry. Don't worry about it." He has a, he has a large
energy field something's going on. Like I don't understand
what that meant at the time. I was just like, "Hmm, okay,
okay. So, what? You just throw stuff on me? What was
I mean, you know, am I durable. [laughs] But you know,
it was like,
I don't understand these. I don't understand these terminologies
that you're using right now. But, you know, I'm laying
down, they're putting necklaces on me. Line them up in different
areas. I'm working at, working with my energy field, my
aura things like that, they're working with it. And by the
time, everything was all said and done, it was supposed
to be a 45-minute session, it turned out to be an hour
and a half. And there was an apprentice that was working
on me. So, it was interesting. Once it was all completed,
I got up, and I wasn't in as much pain. I felt better.
In a way that I had almost forgotten that it could actually
feel like that. You know, it's kind of one of those moments
where you almost want to start crying because you're like,
"Oh my God. I can actually feel better now." I feel I can
actually walk for a minute, and I can bend and I don't know
if I can run up and down the stairs, but at least now I
feel like maybe I should try, you know. You don't feel,
you don't feel as limited and- and that was one
of the things, is like I went back and told my partner,
I let her know and I was like, "Hey, Oh my goodness, I and
I'm moving. I can move again." And it lasted lasted for
a few days while I was able to feel that way and of course,
you know, the more you use it, the quicker kind of goes,
you know, it but that's just me. I was just like I can
do stuff. So, I'm going to try to do everything. But then
that was the, that was the first, that was the first key
that that illustrated, that the alternative medicine seems
to resonate better with me. It seems to have a stronger effect
or a lot more lasting effect. You know, what the Pharmaceuticals,
I'm taking those every two hours, if not sooner in the
smaller increments in that you know, are intervals and
that. But with this one, this actually lasted me a few
days. Then so, then I start pursuing this information little
bit more. I'm like okay what Stones were used? How were
they use? What was the concept, etcetera, etcetera? You know
I'm from a family that that was that energy and the concept
of alternative medicine was very prevalent. Weather is
wildly exercise, that's subject to interpretation
but it was still- it was still there. Now, you always had
that on. - It was a belief you were raised with. - Yes. Even
though part of it was, I was raised as Jehovah Witness.
So, anybody who knows what Jehovah Witness is, you know,
you can't do nothing. - Yeah. [everybody laugh]
-They have some medical hang-ups there too,
right? They don't take blood transfusion. - Nope, nope.
- and couple of other things.
- What is yours, is yours. And, you know,
I don't want to go too in depth with that
because um, um... - We're not here to shit on the
Jehovah's Witnesses. - No, and I don't want to talk poorly about
that's not my place to talk poorly about anybody or anything.
I'm just telling my story and my experiences. With that,
I started to pursue more of the alternative medicines.
And I'm noticing that stones are starting to help me. Certain
stones, they resonate with me. I can actually, I was able
to feel the vibration of them, which was really weird.
But there's also let me roll it back a little bit. So,
before these things started to happen, it was kind of, I
started to discover that I needed to figure out what am
I doing, because I came to a point where after
I'm starting to like heal, like getting that I was going
to say, heal myself. But I'm starting to look at a different
avenues, and for some reason, things are starting to make
more sense. Mind you, I got the IT. IT's down. I can go
in that direction. I thought was always been my passion.
I love it. But in the same token mind you, you know, still
coming out of the wheelchair. I'm getting out of the wheelchair,
more frequently now. I'm moving, I'm using the cane. I'm
making progress, it's slow progress but any progress is
progress, right? And then, I'm looking at the
and I'm noticing that there, as I said, once again, they're
having a stronger effect, a lasting effect on me. So the
more I started learning about these alternative medicines,
the more things start making sense and the more clarity
I started to get about certain things. One of the [laughs]
one of the
points was I went in for- and this was still me
I was working with somebody and they were, they were doing
some energy work on me, and they kind of told me, they're
like, "Huh. Wow, you're almost all heart. Actually, you
are all heart." And I was like, "What? Man, what you call
you call me weak? What are you saying?" [laughs]
"Where you going with this
Willis?" No. [laughs] But no, it was interesting. He was just
like, no, no. Really, you are heart, you will do anything
to help other people. And I was like, well yeah, of course.
If if somebody's in danger, you help them. You don't just
watch, you, don't just let it happen. You actually should
help them if you can if you can. Now granted, there's always
like common sense. Well, if I step in ain't nothing really
going to change other than like another person injured,
you know what I mean? I get that, like, that's common sense.
You know, self-preservation, they are is one of those is
those key survival instincts, right? But he was just telling
me this and he was like, there's a lot of things about
you that you will learn and you will discover and I'm excited
to be witness of the beginning of you discovering some
of these things that are going to happen to you. And I
was just like, whoa, okay that's all mystical
and mysterious. Whoa! [laughs] Because this is what type of
movie is this? No, it was, it was and it was, it was pretty
cool. And then pretty much from that point on I start
focusing and there
was a moment where and this is all using energy.
They did a, like, kind of like a like a reset on me, to
try to get my energy to realign because obviously, this
is what's effective for me. To get me more in tuned, get
things to flow, to clear blockages, just get me an alignment.
And once that happened, I started to notice different things.
I certainly become aware of different things. Like I was
able to feel people more. I have started to realize that
all these abilities that I would- that they were starting
to become stronger, I've been using them all my life but
I did it subconsciously. I was not aware of it. Being able
to like feel people and understand what they mean when
they're saying things. You know, to truly listen to somebody,
not just listening where you're like I hear what you're
saying but actually feel what they're saying, you know.
So, it was pretty amazing that this was starting to happen
and [laughs] it's kind of crazy. You can use, I can easily just
going to hold tangent about this. But nonetheless, it was
it was amazing. Just kind of going into the energy, going
into the alternative medicines and realizing that this
is actually quite effective. And the farther I went into
it, the stronger my urge, my pull was towards this. And
then, that's when it was brought to my attention and there's
always funny because when they always when somebody else
tells you something that you kind of know, but you don't
really say it yet, you're not really there to be like,
this is who I am, accept that. Haha, you know. Yeah. [laughs]
- You have a point there.
But he was like, it came like, they were like you're a healer.
You didn't know you're a healer? I was like, no, no, no I
didn't. I didn't get the- I didn't get the memo. [laughs]
I haven't read the handbook. You know what I mean? I don't know.
You know, I mean... - It is printed on my back?
- Yeah. [laughs] - Am I stabbed somewhere?
It was amazing. And- and then once I was like, okay, I'm
a healer. Now, knowing my curiosity and how aggressive
I am about learning and experiencing things, let's find
out what this is. And the more I went in the direction
of healing and learning things and actually had somebody
show me it showed me how to do energy-pulling, something
simple, it makes it... - So simple. [laughs] It's super simple
- Well, it may freak some people out.
- Stupid Sky, you don't know that energy-pulling.
- Don't suck the energy off me man. That's bullshit.
You start stealing my energy. -No, no, no.
See, here's the- here's the thing, and see the
interesting part about energy-pulling is only thing
you're doing, essentially, is your grounding somebody. It's
helping them to release the energy that they are ready
to let go of and you return it back to the Earth. So then
it can be reassimilated with everything else, that's everything
around us is energy. I'm a dense representation of energy.
Energy is all the way around us, everything that you this
is all dense representations of energy, right?
- Mmm. Of course.
It is all around us. - [laughs] Right, right.
No, it's so fascinating
and wonderful, and there's, it's fantastic. But, with those
with that being said, is with my direction going in this
way, and started, and every time somebody showed me something
energetically, I picked it up. Like, like fast-track, like
for some reasons like almost already knew it. And the more
I did that, the better I was starting to feel. And the better
I felt, the more, like they have yours around me, you can
feel it. And it, it really pushed me in a direction of
understanding and reacquainting myself with myself and
this is... Now, let me throw it back. This is why I was saying
I am grateful and I'm thankful for the trials and tribulations
I went through before. If I would have never injured re-injured
my left knee, I probably would still be partying, getting
high, doing whatever, you know, just- just being wild and
just being wild and willing. - Being worried about that beach
with that laptop job. [laughs] - That's it. - We still didn't
time to jam. [laughs] - You know.
I would definitely be going in a completely different direction
and I was still be going in my IT direction, you know?
But with it, with this calls me to slow down.
And I realized
and I've learned that whenever something bad, you may look
at it being bad or negative or horrific, it's all an
One, for you to experience something. Two, even though, I
know that sounds weird, but in experiences experience and
just to be able to experience and feel something is a blessing
in its own. But also to- it gives you an opportunity to
survive and learn from whatever just happened to allow
you to grow and evolve and to elevate to another higher
level of being aware and owning who you are, or you can
fold and give up. Now, as always, I concept if you're not
willing to move, if you're not willing to grow, you're
not willing to learn, why are you here? - Why are you stuck
in that damn wheelchair? - Exactly. You know, I mean, and,
and with that is and when you're open, when you're able
to evolve, when you're able to look at it and just like,
what am I learning from this? And for me, I learned one,
to love myself. Two, to actually pay attention, to listen
to slow down. That was the key thing. I learned how to slow
the hell down. I was always like, rip and run. And go,
go, go, go, go, go. Oh, my God, I can't make their spin fast
enough. You know, [laughs] that's always been me. I'm like this
way my head works. - Yeah, you go to the club with Vibe [laughs]
by the way, you ain't going to one club, you're going to three
clubs in four different cities. [laughs] And, and then you're
going to the after hours. And then, if you still have not caught
your, your, your bucket of butt naked bitches, [laughs] we gotta
go back. If I'm like, it was always an adventure and that
is very true. And that's part of that beauty of your,
of the person that you are, even when you were doing that.
It wasn't like you were malicious. -No. -You just bring your
energy into any room anywhere. I don't care, like, I fought
brought you down in our West Khan and instantaneously every
because that's a high, that's a high energy place of people
that are mostly attuned. I would like to think because
I do, I don't know how much of what I believe in. I can
like can call faith healing or spiritual healing or but
I definitely believe in energy. Exactly like you'd had
explained it. And you've always been that guy. And now,
to see you taking it and changing your life with it, bringing
yourself, putting yourself damn near back in the spot you
were when we were kids being stupid, seeing that and now
you're taking that on that healer role and you willing
to take that out there in the world and give it to other
people. That evolution to you is so great and it makes
me proud. I was like, as soon as I heard that, I like we're
doing a podcast son. -[laughs] You're gonna come down here
and we're gonna talk about it. We're going to promote the hell
out of it. So how did you, how did you come at it? I mean,
is the entire like is Reiki, like is that the entire encompassing
of, what of energy healing or like? It kind of give us
a little bit more about, about that journey. How did you
become? How did you pick Down 2 Vibe? Like, what
does that mean to you? - Okay, so, [clear throats] with me
deciding the direction
and I'm like, you know what, I want to learn. I want to
learn more, I want to learn more. I want to, I want to
master this. I want to understand it as much as I can.
There's so much information, there's so much possibilities.
I want it all. Like, I'm hungry for it. I had a strong
desire for it, like it is it is it's unfortunate. I'm going
to use this term. There was like there was a hole and I
was trying to fill it with this information about healing
energy, all of it. In my enthusiasm, I have not been able
to shake. I swear to God as I'm like a four-year-old when
it comes to like... - Yeah. You're like a vegan.
You tell everybody
about it? - [laughs] I do apologize if
if it's ever too much. - [laughs]
- It's just I get really excited because it's in those people
that I've interacted with, they understand exactly what I mean
once they- once they interact with me. Then they're like
"Okay I get it. Oh, wow. I totally get it." But what brought
me into Reiki, exactly was that with me, no one starting
to learn how to use energy and starting to understand it
more about myself. Like that's a self-learning and self-love.
That was that it was I was going through and experiencing.
It was a friend of mine, who was doing a cranial sacral
work on me. - Sorry, what? - Cranial sacral. It's another form
of healing. - Okay. - It's an alternative medicine and it can
help with getting you back in alignment, based of your
cranial sacral which runs along the back of your spine,
through your throughout your body. I'm not well-versed
in it, that's why I won't go too in depth in it. But it
is another form of energy work, which helps you to become
more aligned, to clear blockages, to be more free and flowy
flow of energy, excuse me. She introduced me to somebody and
I didn't get permission to. Well, she's out of the country.
So, I was not able to acquire the permission to say her
name. So out of respect, I won't mention her name but she
teaches Reiki. And she, we resonated with each other and
she was like, yes, I will take you on as a student. She
proceeded to teach me, and this is what became new to
me was that I was ready. And all of me, my mind, body, and
spirit were all sitting there waiting. Excuse me, my spirit
and body were waiting for the mind, my conscious mind but
I can we do this now because we're sitting here waiting
for you, you know. Like this is this is your direction.
And I had the abilities, I just didn't have the structure
or the discipline or the knowledge of how to do things.
You know and then once I learn Reiki that gave me the tools
as well as the structure that was needed to allow my abilities
to really start to take hold and move in the direction
that... -So, you are Luke Skywalker before he met Yoda.
I've seen this movie, Vibe. [laughs] - Wow. But I mean for a
better, I mean that's
pretty good metaphor. - No, that's awesome. That's an
perfect analogy. Yes, it's yeah. I got you. It's um, it
was quite like one of those types of scenarios where everything
that she was showing me, I was picking up like it was mine
already. And you know, of course, with anything that's
new is like, you need to build up confidence with it
and practice, of course, but energy was easy. It actually
came pretty easy. Now, making sure that it was focused
because I realized and self-discovery, I learned that my
energy is kind of like, ah, I can fill a room with it,
you know what I mean? It's like a beacon in the night and I've
learned how to control that and to not be so intrusive
with my energy and not to put people on the defensive because
I'm just booming so loud, you know what I mean? But Reiki
really resonated with me and with that, it allowed a lot
of awareness to come to light and clarity, to start
to happen. It was a very like I do Reiki on myself and
one of the things is, you know, just to kind of explain
what Reiki is, is or what I would do as a facilitator is,
I, you know, you create a safe space for somebody and then
you allow you flow universal life energy. The energy is
all around us, but we flow that you flow that through you
into that of the person. And that's what touch or not touch
depends on how they want to do it. I've administers license.
So as long as I have permission, I am legally, I'm able
to touch people. You know what I mean? As long as I have the
permission to do such from them, you know. But you're able
to flow the energy and the beauty of it is is I am grounding
you at the same time. So then therefore, you get to experience
what it's like to actually or you can't experience. Not
everybody does, it's always everything is different for
everybody, that's what makes us unique and that's what makes
us so beautiful, because it's never the same for each and
every person. And every session is at never, they're always
exactly the same. There's always going to be different.
It depends on what you need and what's for your highest
good. It's always about what your for your highest good.
But you get the opportunity to ground me, ground the person,
and you get to feel what it's like and what that energy
flowing, you know, you feel the tinglings or you feel
lighter, but the beauty of it is, it gives you an opportunity
to feel loved. And to flow love. And if you're open to
it, you get to experience that love. Now, the whole idea
is for you to do this on your own and not have to keep
coming to me or going to other healers to feel this. The
idea the concept is to get you to love yourself and to
be open to who you are. So therefore, you you lose the
veils of the lies or the, the facades. That veil comes down
and you get to see the truth of who you are. And when you
acknowledge who you are, you let go of the past. Because
a past got you there. So you're thankful for it. You know,
you end up appreciating everything everything's becomes
like a blessing because you're like I got to experience
this. I had a chance to learn this and even though it sucked,
oh boy, did it suck but I am so much better because of
it now, you know. And in some cases is you know there's a
level of I can say this with truth comes freedom. You know,
when you accept the truth of who you are, you're free,
you get to be you. You don't worry about what everybody else
is thinking or saying or... - So, the hardest lessons in life is
to learn. - It is, and this path has put me in that direction
and I have had the blessing and opportunities to help other
people discover that for themselves. And it's pretty, it's
pretty phenomenal and it's very moving and powerful when
you get to see it. You know, somebody's holding on to something
like, put down those bricks. - Now, what kind of issues would
like if so there are people living to listen to
this anybody. - And I wonder if that would help with X whatever
their problem maybe, maybe it's they're little depressed.
Maybe they're, they're battling the, what are their demon
maybe. What kind of what are kind of, some of the go to
things that you think that Reiki could help especially
if they're Down 2 Vibe? [laughs] -So when people are depressed
and there's going to be, there's always going to be other
different depiction of this or descriptions of this hobby,
want to look at it but you're disconnected. You are not
flowing energy. You know, you end up you kind of create
an island of yourself and then you wallow in that island,
you know. With the Reiki and using Reiki, I'm reconnect.
You creating a situation where you become reconnected. And
when you're connected, mind you, universal life energy
is love is life. That is nothing but love. When you're
flowing that, there's no room to be depressed. Just think
about it when you're filled with nothing but positive,
light, and energy, there's no room for the depression, there's
not very much, there's no room for anger, you know, room
for grief. You know, what is some of that? You know, there's
you prove you're filled with nothing but happiness and
love and peace. It's phenomenal. You know that's the whole
concept is you push everything out that you don't need
and you fill yourself up with love and compassion. And
that positive light. You're happy. You, it's almost like you
have no choice but to be happier. Like why am I so damn happy?
[chuckles] - Yeah.
- You know. And you know that you've known me for quite
a while, and you know and it's it makes things whole lot
easier when you're looking at things just like yeah, okay,
cool. [laughs] - I'm happier just talking to you. - Yeah, right.
- [laughs] - I'm like, damn, you fucking positive.
- Oh, shit. - No, it's
amazing. Now, as far as just like I explained, everything
that happens with your body before shows up here on the
physical plan, it is somewhere in your energy field. It
starts there, there that's when it starts ringing a bell
and try to get your attention. Now, whatever it is, it could
be regret. You know regret runs havoc on yourself like, it's
amazing. Like you know repressions things like that, it
can it, can wreak havoc on your body. But no, but first of
all, it first starts in that energy field. Now, the more
you ignore it, the closer to the body, the physical form
it gets. Now, the closer gets, you'll start to notice
appearing on your body. Some cases, for me, I tore my knee.
The second time. The first time, I think it probably try
to get him to slow down. And I was just too young and I
was like, no, no, I'm not ready. I wasn't ready at the
time. But that was the first thing I do is because that
slowed me down, and then I sped right back up as soon as
I could, right. Second time it happened, it slowed me down,
but this time, instead of it just doing the left knee knocked
out the right knee. Oh okay, that's not going to work.
He's going to try to go as quickly as he can again. We'll
take out the back. You know, it just got more aggressive
about trying to slow me down to get me to pay attention,
to figure out what's going on. So when people are having
elements, no matter what the element is, it started somewhere
in the energy field. And once it manifests here, the beauty
about Reiki, as I said, with you creating a safe space,
it gives you an opportunity to figure out what the root
causes. Now, this is one of the things I love so much. If
you figure out what the root causes, and you're able to
identify it and let it go and make peace with whatever
it is and replace that with love and positive energy, why
would you have that element that was tied to it? You wouldn't
if you figure out what the root and the root is gone, everything
that was everything that was considered considered collateral
damage of that root issue disappears with it.
Because there's no point in, there's the lessons learned.
And that's, as I said, it's an opportunity for you to grow,
evolve, change. It's a beauty. - I can get with that and so,
no matter what, no matter if you got depression, guilt,
anger, unresolved daddy issues, I mean strippers would
love some Reiki. [laughs] But you know, all of these things
because I think about my life all the baggage I carry around
all the time. And just thinking about like man, that's you
know, lots of things. We regret guilt, all these stupid
little things, you just kind of pick at me. And thinking
that, you know, it wouldn't be so hard just to let it go,
especially, if I could give it a name, you know. If somebody
was just kind of like because you you taught kind of taught
me a little bit about grounding and basically it's like,
you know, take your shoes off when you're in your yard,
stand in the grass for a minute. And I started I thought
about that. And I was like, you know, I don't know that
I ever really did that. And then, this whole summer, every
time I'm in my backyard, I took my shoes off and bow I
could tell I felt a very powerful distance difference and
just having my feet in the dirt. Just but now I know why people
like to walk in the sand. You know, it's just grounding
out to the Earth, letting that energy clear out and reset.
So I really do but I don't know how deep I'm willing to
go yet in my brain into, you know, the greater cosmic healing
power of universal life, right? But I can really believe
in the idea that you are an electrical being, your energy
is, is the only reason you are alive. Is your-- the magnetic
field around you to think... - Well I think about it. - that can
shock you, you
can shock me. - Yeah. - There's got to be something. - You have
it fast working because
where they do, they zapped you with electricity. - Yeah.
- But that should be a clear sign right there. Electricity
can stop you from living and it can start you to live
in. There get you back to living. - And what is it, what is
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It's been literally amazing. Yes. - So we, you've coined
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You can get them on Facebook at Down 2 Vibe, just
search him, and learn something, you know. He's a great
guy. Obviously, we had a good time. - Yes. Fantastic, man.
Like... -Anything else you want to plug? - all that kinda stuff.
we've had a couple of times and it's fantastic.
I think anytime you can get outside of the normal medical
establishment, I think it's... - Yeah, it's pretty hard to deny
what you did. Like the, what you've got going on, like
you did that. And I know you, I know you didn't have some
miracle surgery. [laughs] I know you didn't have money for a
stem cell injection. -Right. -Like there's no other way to
explain that other
than your power of your mind taking over your body
and saying, listen here, bitch, [chuckle] you goofy fuck
you're getting out of
this chair. [laughs] Whether you want to or not, let's go
out there. Let's get all the help we need. I believe in
all of that 100%. - When you touched on a little bit with
the medical stuff, a lot of people don't realize it medical
the medical practice. A lot of it has to do. Well, the
word practice is right in there. So a lot of times they
they're just working with things they see or the things
they've done in the past. -Right. -And they just repeat the same
things over and over and they ignore new to new things
coming out, new studies, you know, new treatments. They
just ignore that because it's not part of their everyday
book of things they practice, right? So, sometimes you
have to look outside the box. I think it's fantastic to do.
- Absolutely, I didn't, I've never fit within the standard,
this is okay when they wrote the book about like this
is how people are supposed to respond, that's how things
work. I don't fit in that. You know what I mean? Pretty much
need to take that book, chuck it, throw it out the window,
burn it, I don't know what you need to do. But you actually
just need to be open-minded and kind of that's just look
at it for what it is and work with it from there. And if
you're not open, it didn't work. - Come back when you are
open. - Right. -Hopefully you get there. -I've actually had to
kick out, I had to kick out a doctor about that because I
was like, I need you to be open. And I asked her was like,
are you open to look at this and not saying that you have
to do things this way, it has to be this way? Because obviously,
I don't know if you notice, but look at my chart, it doesn't
work for me. -Right. -Well, you found something that did
and you sharing that with people, that's a huge deal, man.
- Good for you. -Yeah. -We are really excited to be able to help
and see that, see that grow. I really believe that just
by the very nature of the person you are, the people being
able to spend that time and get that kind of energy going,
it's got to be fun. Good for everybody. -Yup. -Now, I want to
say this, when it comes to Reiki it is not always about
I'm gonna fix this. Don't look at it as like going to a
doctor, it's not about I'm going to fix your broken leg. No,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna help you, help you figure out why
did you have that broken leg? And to make sure that once
you identify those things, and once you, as I said, you'll
eliminate the root causes, you won't continue to have those
things happen. You see them in. And then, of course, with
your body flowing, and the blockages being cleared, you're
able to heal better, or you have a better chance of healing
better. -Yeah. -You know, it's always subjective and it's always
for your highest good. So some people, I've had some people
come to me and, you know, they're like, oh, I got this
going on, I want this, I want you to fix this. I'm like,
well, actually, it doesn't work that way. That's
Western medicine. This alternative medicine is to help
heal all of you. Mind, body, spirit. -A by-product to that
helps your leg
heel... -Exactly. -great. -Because here's the thing. If you get
the whole engine running properly, everything else works
perfectly well with. - Holistic medicine. - Exactly.
Exactly. You know, and that's definitely one of those
situation. So for those who are listening, come with an
open mind. Leave your expectations at the door. And enjoy
and feel the love that's about to happen. - Yeah. Leave
with a happier, healthier way of living. Outlook on life, a
lighter feeling. I don't know what else to say. I think
that's pretty great. - Yup, that wraps it up. That is perfect.
- So, thank you very much. It's just been
Vibe Smith. -Okay. - Look for him on Facebook and well...
- Can I leave with
one quote? - Don't say Namaste or Amistad. - No, not
at all. [laughs] I'm gonna fucking keep that forever. [laughs]
- I'm just gonna leave
with this one quote. For today only, "Do not be
angry, do not be anxious, and be grateful. Work hard and
be kind to others". [foreign language]. - You've been listening
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